Question:
4 ohm and + 8 ohm sub load = 1/2 wattage?
Erik W
2010-01-21 22:01:17 UTC
So I know (I think, based off V=IR and P=I^2 x R) that Power = V^2/R so Resistance is inversely proportional to power.
Based off this, If I have a 225 watt rms sub (MTX 4500 4ohm DVC) This can be wired to ideally, 2 ohms or to 8 ohms. I have a few option available to me, still looking for a mono amp as that would be the best option, but I'm strapped for cash...
But an amp that can be bridged at 4 ohms with 400 watts RMS. Theoretically would give 200 watts RMS with an 8 ohm resistance correct? Would this work without overpowering or messing up the sub?

OR

Is it possible to use just one channel of a 2 channel amp, for example if it was 2 ohm, I could wire the DVC sub to a 2 ohm load and run it off of just one channel? Or does this not work at all?

Also, how much could this sub be overpowered? I've seen a lot of 300 watt 2 ohm stable mono amps.. Is that to much overpowered? or what are sort of the "rules" as far as sub RMS ratings, is it a strict can't go over this, or an average based off Root Mean Square that can be surpassed?

Thanks, just wanted to increase my understanding of the car audio aspect of electronics so i can get the most out of my system without raping my wallet...
Six answers:
N2Audio
2010-01-22 07:08:53 UTC
I think all your questions were answered somewhere along the line, but let me put it all in one place.



Paragraph #1 --

Yes the amp that's 400w at 4 ohms bridged would theoretically be 200w at 8 ohms bridged, but that's only if it's a good quality amp that doubles its output at 1/2 the impedance. The easier way to tell what it would be at 8 ohms bridged is just combine the 4 ohm stereo power. If it's 400x1 at 4, it could be anywhere from about 100x2 at 4 to 175x2 at 4 so it COULD be anywhere from 200x1 at 8 to 350+.



Paragraph #2 --

It's possible, but the above solution would be better. The stereo operation as mentioned in a previous answer could be a problem.



Paragraph #3 --

300w to a decent quality 225w sub shouldn't be a problem. If things don't sound right you can always reduce the gain a little.



Additional details question #1 --

If you're wiring the coils in series you just run a wire from one of the sub's (+)'s to the opposing (-), and the amp would connect to the remaining (+) and (-). If you're wiring the coils parallel you just run a "jumper" wire from (+) to (+) and (-) to (-) on the sub. Then your speaker lead from the amp connects to one vc or the other -- doesn't matter which.



Question #2 --

No. In this day and age of low impedance high power amps a lot of poorly informed people believe running at a high impedance is ALWAYS bad which is not the case. Running at a higher impedance generally produces less power out of the amp (which is not a bad thing as long as you're still getting adequate power to the subs), but there are a couple factors that are improved by doing it. Damping factor is increased, and THD is usually decreased. These will only make a very slight difference in sound quality, but SQ purists would say it's very advantageous.



Question 3 & 4 --

No - an amp that's 300 at 2 should work fine. If it's 500 or 600w bridged at 4 and you're running it at 8 I think it would work fine. Check the amp's stereo power at 4 ohms to see what it will give you bridged at 8. If it's 400 or 500w you'd want to be very careful with the gain and bass boost.



Keep in mind the only time an amp will actually produce the power it claims is at very high demand points in the music (with a sub amp, the first instant of the BOOOM). Otherwise the power output is very low, and the average output of a 300w amp is only going to be around 100w at HIGH volume. Assuming you're not blasting it the speaker may actually only receive 50w or so on average.
Ohmega.Ω
2010-01-21 23:03:41 UTC
Answer to your later question is that don't worry about over powering, it is beter than under powering, as you have more control over your sub. And to the first question is that yes you are right about the math and running your amp at 8 ohms doesn't hurt it at all. BTW, there is no such thing as bridging to 4 ohms. Also to the second question is that yes that would work but it would be absolutely piontless as you would be in mono and not stereo which means if you had a bass note in certain type of music that was one the left channel and your rca was hooked up to the right channel you wouldn't hear the note.
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2010-01-21 23:04:17 UTC
Any quality two channel amp will do 2 ohm stereo. And some will do 2 ohm bridged.. Yes the 2 ohm load on one channel will work fine. But I would go 4 ohm stereo.. And you have the right ideal. 2 ohm mono. Any mono amp will do 2 ohm. Buy the power to match..
Christina P
2010-01-21 22:58:44 UTC
So the question is why aren't all amps 2ohm stable. It sure would make things easier.



Running your sub at 8ohms to your amp will not hurt it, but you will probably push well below 200rms.

It completely depends on the amp company's specs.

JL 500/1 slasher is 500rms @ 1.5,2 or 4 ohms( the smartest amp out there )



Your math is right, but companies are not consistent.



Some 2 channel amps can run at 2ohms like Fosgate.



My friend is using one of these to push a 4500 http://cgi.ebay.com/DIRECTED-MONO-BLOCK-CLASS-D-1-CHANNEL-CAR-AMPLIFIER-AMP_W0QQitemZ220494599592QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Amplifiers?hash=item33568095a8



It is cheap



Hope this helps
anonymous
2016-05-26 13:54:35 UTC
to get full power from this amp,you must run 2 dual 4 ohm subs,bring it down to 1 ohm= 1000 watts
OMG!gatorade(':
2010-01-21 22:04:08 UTC
beats me.


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